Episode 149: Cathleen Klibanoff | Sculptural Painter, Writer, and Storyteller

Apr 11, 2022

“Ikigai is the concept of living joyfully and with meaning. It is identifying that intersection of what you love, what you're good at, what you can get paid for, and what the world needs.” ~ Cathleen Klibanoff

Cathleen Klibanoff is a sculptural painter and storyteller who lives in Asheville, NC, with her husband, son, and two dogs. She is a published artist and writer. She has shown at the FemArt Gallery in Jacksonville, FL, Indianapolis Art Center, Foundations Gallery, Asheville Regional Airport, and the Grand Bohemian Gallery in Asheville.

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Episode Transcript

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[Juliet Hahn]: Welcome back to Your Next Stop i you guys you know i say this every time but i am

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[Juliet Hahn]: so excited for my next guest kathleen kano did i say that right

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you almost got it clipping off

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[Juliet Hahn]: say it again

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: clipping off with

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[Juliet Hahn]: okay

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: an l i think you you missed the l

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[Juliet Hahn]: no but you know because i'm dyslexic so i i do that so

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: okay

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[Juliet Hahn]: i'm going to say that again oddie i'm going to say that again so welcome to for

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[Juliet Hahn]: your next stop i'm so excited for this guest kathleen kano and we met on ig and

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[Juliet Hahn]: the thing that i love so much is kathleen is a mixed media artist and when i tell

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[Juliet Hahn]: you every time she puts something on ig i literally scream and you guys if you're

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[Juliet Hahn]: watching this afterwards and you're looking at the video this space right here is

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[Juliet Hahn]: going to be kathleen is going to do some amazing stuff for me so welcome kathleen

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[Juliet Hahn]: to your next stop

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: thank you so very much i love the idea of being a part of your universe even after

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: this interview and just kind of contributing to that energy that's not that i'm

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: trying to take over the interview but that's really how i've built my career is

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: finding connections with like minded people and contributing really trying to

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: serve first

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and so the fact that i could be part of that crucible there of yours would be an

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: honor

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[Juliet Hahn]: well and the thing is it's it will be it will be definitely afterwards but then it

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[Juliet Hahn]: will be on every episode which i absolutely love because then i

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: exactly

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[Juliet Hahn]: also be able to show and as i said really you are beyond talented there's a couple

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[Juliet Hahn]: things that you know that really got to my heart is when you post stuff about

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[Juliet Hahn]: animals i'm like oh my gosh i love that and then that you live in asheville north

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[Juliet Hahn]: carolina and one of my sisters lives there so

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: oh love connection okay

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[Juliet Hahn]: we will and my yes and my other lives in charlotte so we will be we'll

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: wonderful

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[Juliet Hahn]: meet in person one of these you know

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yes we will

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[Juliet Hahn]: within the the next year so what i always do on your next stop is i always have my

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[Juliet Hahn]: guest really kind of

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[Juliet Hahn]: we we go back so i want to go back

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: uh huh

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[Juliet Hahn]: like tell us a little bit about

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: he

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[Juliet Hahn]: yourself where you grew up if you went to university you know just

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: mm hm

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[Juliet Hahn]: give us a little bit of you

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: sure

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i think it's an interesting

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: journey

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: because it was a great deal of letting go like that was constantly the challenge

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: put before me

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and my father my mother and father have passed but growing up it was very much

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: what you should do

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it was very clear mandate to get a college education and to be a professional and

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: kind of follow a very predictable trajectory and from a very early age they were

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: picking up on the cues that that may not work for me uh but out of love and it was

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: truly out of love and i say that to anyone that's listening to the call as well i

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: don't feel victimized by it

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: but they wanted me to do something they thought would make me

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: secure

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: security really was their value set

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and what over the years and sometimes in very challenging ways

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: what i had to look at was

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: what will create joy

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: what do i need to bring into my life

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so that i feel full

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and the japanese have a concept called icky guy i don't know if you've had anyone

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: on your show talking about icky guy it's fascinating you'll love this

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[Juliet Hahn]: yes i have not

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so yeah well here we are learn something new every day

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: ik gui is the concept of living joyfully and with meaning

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so everything you talk about i'm just giving it a formalized name

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[Juliet Hahn]: i was gonna say i was to say everything i do so i love that you just put a name to

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[Juliet Hahn]: that and now i have to definitely research

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: oh

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[Juliet Hahn]: that

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you have to because we're going to be leading international retreat to and i so

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you better get get educated because it's gonna happen

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[Juliet Hahn]: i love it

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: basically what icky guy is is identifying that intersection of what you love

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: what you're good at what you can get paid for and what the world needs

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[Juliet Hahn]: i mean

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: big

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[Juliet Hahn]: that yeah that's

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: big stuff

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[Juliet Hahn]: that's all and that is but it's so beautiful because that's what the world needs

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[Juliet Hahn]: more of like why don't we all know about this

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: exactly right exactly right i think what's happened in

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: covid just exacerbating what already was occurring is this

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: model of

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: scarcity

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and fear and the need to control

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and not being able to do any one of those things

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[Juliet Hahn]: nice to see you

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and yet not having the connections to lean into

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: such

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[Juliet Hahn]: yeah

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: as creating more fear and more

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: insecurity and more desire to control things so just a vicious cycle and what that

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[Juliet Hahn]: what

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: looks like for us as adults me being an older adult but one in the same

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: is

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yes i think depression sure frustration and general anxiety what is sent to our

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: kids i have a teenager i know you have children

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: is so off the charts and so

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: much to be revealed as to how that's going to impact them on a long term basis so

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know as parents were trying to control things we're trying to keep from dying

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and all we're getting is this information you're going to die you're gonna die

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[Juliet Hahn]: has

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you're gonna die you know and that trickles down to them and they're kind of

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: looking at us like okay can they protect me anymore

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[Juliet Hahn]: right

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: am i safe you know so they

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: their definitions of what safety looks like

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so anyway part of what icky guy is saying is

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: the more effective model of moving through the world is one based on trust and the

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: belief in abundance

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[Juliet Hahn]: love it

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah and so you have those pots that i mentioned you know what you love what the

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: world needs what you get paid for what you're great at and where they intersect

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[Juliet Hahn]: yeah i know

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: is this concept of it this experience of ikea and it doesn't necessarily

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: is this concept of it this experience of ikea and it doesn't necessarily

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: equate to a career

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: not necessarily

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it's nice when it can have that double helix effect right where it's something you

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: can make money at and yet you know you lose track time and it's it's fun and it's

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: playful and one thing you are which i've observed

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: consistently as you're very playful so i know you're in your joy

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[Juliet Hahn]: yes

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know you're like losing track of time and you're all into the story

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i love it i love it so to to give people access to that emotional freedom

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: whoa like what a gift to move out of that scarcity model where we feel like we

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: things and go into that where you can like

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: open your arms release flow lean into you know

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[Juliet Hahn]: one

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: in vulnerable moments

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: all of those things being very conducive to intimacy and connection so you hear me

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: speak a lot about that in my post

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: what is the ultimate end game

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: its connection its

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: relationship

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[Juliet Hahn]: really

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it's sharing of the wisdom it's contributing to the good and i'm not saying that

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: in some sort of esoteric way like really contributing like digging in finding

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[Juliet Hahn]: yeah

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: out what your free space is finding out that icky guy you know gathering it up and

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: bringing it to the table

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so how that looked in my career was

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i went to college not to the college i wanted to go to um which was for theater

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: which is my first love in the arts i'd got a scholarship to go to northwestern

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: which at the time was the top theater school in the united states but i wanted to

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: kind of reconnect with my family because i had gone out on my own when i was

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: fifteen

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so yeah i was the rebel i was the black sheep i you know

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i

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[Juliet Hahn]: then

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: was the unknown quantity

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and so i said you know what mattered to me at the time and it was the right thing

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: um was to connect with them to reconnect with them and i did that so i went to a

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: local college just saying i guess i need to get a college education

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: the universe has always take very good care of me it's because i trust the

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[Juliet Hahn]: we

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: universe and so i got an opportunity to go work with the academy of television

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: arts and sciences in loss angeles and did an internship with them and then

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: ultimately graduating and getting an internship at bmi in new york city which is a

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: performing rights organization

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i went i started in the pr department

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: but obviously my talents were falling more in relational capacity so i started

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: doing

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: songwriter singer songwriter

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: like an ar if you're familiar with the music industry

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[Juliet Hahn]: yeah

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i was very good at connecting people i started a program in the city called

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: collaborators connection where i put together songwriters and singers and

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and was very good at identifying raw talent

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so like arrested development if you know anything about hip hop that was one of

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: bands that i discovered and

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: as a result of doing what i did again really very much my free space and i was you

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: know living live in new york city living that life to its fullest

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i caught the eye of c moor stein who

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: was

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: madonna's mentor and label initially and prints and i guess you know if you look

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[Juliet Hahn]: what call

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and you say you know what's one of the high points of your career

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it pro in most people's eyes would be

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: a weekend in haks i think now we're talking

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: ninety four

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: end of ninety four where i met both prince e madonna in one weekend because they

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: both wanted me to run their new york office

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[Juliet Hahn]: wow

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and it just so this is funny it just so happened that when i went to madonna i was

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: wearing overalls i mean i can't tell you i was you know always the artist way way

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: way out there so here i'm meeting an icon and i show up and you know like a

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: farmer's outfit but

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i'll never forget pulling up to her gate and somebody was driving me but hit the

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: buzzer and they said you know who's here or whatever the

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: of my ego at the time like i say my name you open the doors and that's just the

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[Juliet Hahn]: right

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: needs to go well

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i met her beloved itself and we got in an argument within fifteen minutes

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[Juliet Hahn]: contaminator

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i'll never forget getting a call as soon as i left her house she'd asked me to

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: go out with her that night i said no i really can't i mean i was just it was

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[Juliet Hahn]: right

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i was not right

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and her manager

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: calling me and saying no one does that like you know i said

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i decided i'd go with prince because i thought we would get along better

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: but that was a really rough ride because

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that was around the time he became a symbol

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[Juliet Hahn]: right i remember that

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: okay he dropped his name

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so like my job was gonna be very very very difficult and it was

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you really have to

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: reassess your value set like is this

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[Juliet Hahn]: jesus

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: really what i want yes on paper this is a dream job you know and

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i was making a lot of money and all that good stuff

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: but it was costing me my sanity i mean i wrote a one woman show which i later

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: actually performed off off broadway

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: but i wrote it while i was working for him and it was called love love or loveless

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: be mes misled with that but it was that feeling of just being pulled apart

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and you know people throw that word around love

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: but when you're really being

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: dissected that is the glue and when you don't have the glue it really you see

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: those threads become very separate and that is not a good thing that's not a good

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: thing so i was offered another job to be the vp of ar for a record label called

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: pendulum records it was under the emi umbrella

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i work there

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: at the time i was moving very very very fast and

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: in keeping with that i was a runner you

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: know in terms of exercise and i was at the gym

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: now this is around ninety nine and i pulled something in my hip

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: okay and i you are you a runner i think i want wanna say you do bron

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[Juliet Hahn]: no you know it it's funny because you were in the city at the same time so i have

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[Juliet Hahn]: all these questions because i i was in the city in ninety nine

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[Juliet Hahn]: as well that's when i met my husband i lived in new york city for a long long time

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[Juliet Hahn]: um and i

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[Juliet Hahn]: actually worked i worked for a company called far farm club i don't re i don't

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[Juliet Hahn]: know if you remember farm club it was jimmy

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[Juliet Hahn]: so to bring it back i am i work out a lot i played two sports in college

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and

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[Juliet Hahn]: running i do not enjoy my sister loves to run i do run on occasion especially with

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[Juliet Hahn]: runner so i'm going to let you go back to your runner in new york city

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know you're not gonna go there yeah we definitely i'm sure we've crossed past

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so i was a runner pulled something in my hip of course i kept running because

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: okay i don't have to explain that

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[Juliet Hahn]: well because well but that's what we do i mean i you know as i said i i've worked

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[Juliet Hahn]: out and i will have like my arm constantly my elbow is constantly a little tinged

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[Juliet Hahn]: anything about it because i know that exercise is what is good for my brain like i

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[Juliet Hahn]: need to exercise it's not just about like i i yes i want to look good in my jeans

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[Juliet Hahn]: but it's

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[Juliet Hahn]: about my brain it's about my

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[Juliet Hahn]: brain it really it kind of

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[Juliet Hahn]: settles me

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i probably shouldn't have kept running though it turns out and i left for

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: vancouver the next day it was just a pleasure trip i was with a a girlfriend of

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i couldn't walk i was completely immobilized my hip completely froze and she

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: said to me have you ever had acupuncture

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and you know i was not living that world i was living in a very different world

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i was like no but i'm open to it you know but no so this is where the real

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: he comes and he takes my pulses okay because you know there are multiple

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and he looks me in the eye

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and he said

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[Juliet Hahn]: that's pet

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: he walked out of the room

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[Juliet Hahn]: that's insane my gosh

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[Juliet Hahn]: and how old

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: this i'm about thirty two

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i've gone through saturn returns i don't know if you know what saturnin returns is

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: but i've gone through that and i'm coming out on the other side

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: but it was time for that shift that structural shift because your life does you

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that it like recycles you know every twenty seven to twenty nine years and

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i'm sitting there he's not in the room anymore

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i knew he wasn't telling me i had cancer like that there wasn't confusion

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i basically went back to new york city and left the industry

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[Juliet Hahn]: wow i mean that you know i know you said univers and i talk about this on the

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[Juliet Hahn]: podcast all the time whether you believe in god or the universe

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: sure

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[Juliet Hahn]: i've had i've had other guests come on and it's it's exactly that where they

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[Juliet Hahn]: actually weren't listening they just were at a pace they were going and

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that's right

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[Juliet Hahn]: it literally was god or universe that was like no you can't do this anymore you're

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[Juliet Hahn]: sick and i'm going to make you stop and so it is a really that's why i always say

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[Juliet Hahn]: to people they need to listen they need to listen to their bodies they need to

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[Juliet Hahn]: listen to their gut they really as we get older we get better at it i think you

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: sure

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[Juliet Hahn]: and you think this is what you want but there's something in you that it's not

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[Juliet Hahn]: your path right it's not what you're meant to be doing and you kind of fell into

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[Juliet Hahn]: it you're good you're obviously a talented person so whatever you got into you're

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that's right

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[Juliet Hahn]: i think it's so it's so powerful to have those experiences where it's like nope

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[Juliet Hahn]: you're not doing anything and that's you know i talk about this in my podcast i

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[Juliet Hahn]: had that kind of experience in college when i was going for corporate fitness that

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: hm

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[Juliet Hahn]: is not for everyone but it was my

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[Juliet Hahn]: path it actually is what it really ha i learned so much about myself because my

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[Juliet Hahn]: dyslexia i realized i was good in school i wasn't stupid it just was i wasn't you

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[Juliet Hahn]: know learn i wasn't being taught how i should be taught so it's all of those

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: sure

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[Juliet Hahn]: because of those things but i hurt my back and i had to take an anatomy in

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[Juliet Hahn]: physiology like the same time and it was like wait a second i was going to rely on

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[Juliet Hahn]: that's why i went into communications which you know even out of college you know

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: sure

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[Juliet Hahn]: you know a people person and i

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[Juliet Hahn]: didn't see myself as a creative so it's really interesting how the universe or god

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[Juliet Hahn]: you know whoever you believe in really takes you through those zigzagging parts

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[Juliet Hahn]: and that's what you know this is why i want this podcast out there just so many

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: absolutely

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[Juliet Hahn]: this story and and them being in that situation being like holy crap i'm

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[Juliet Hahn]: what is what is my path

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: what is it

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[Juliet Hahn]: so you quit the industry so and were you also were you talking to your family at

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[Juliet Hahn]: this time were you you know still close with them

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i would say it

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: took me some decompression time before i came to earth you know i i went from the

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: to a life of theater and i designed a maternity line and i designed a co tour hat

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: line and i just all sorts of creative abundance and outbursts

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know for help and everything and you're not charging for it so you need to

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: charge for this and

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: when he said it again i knew the universe was saying hey you can get paid for this

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[Juliet Hahn]: three

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: like it's okay

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: to ask it's okay to receive which again probably wasn't something i was taught

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: early on and so i'll never forget the next day

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: a friend who was also on wall street and that became kind of my pool of clients

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: called and was asking you know for advice

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i said

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and so this is what this is

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: the path i decided to take was i want to know what's happening behind the curtain

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: right so i got into clinical hypnotherapy where i'm not really buying much of what

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: people are saying but what they're feeling and what's moving around back there

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: whether in their dream life or just when they're vulnerable that's the clay right

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that's where we can start sculpting and you know modeling a new life so that was

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: the the path i took was

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: to get into hypnotherapy and start helping people

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know find out what's blocking them because a lot of folks have had early

415

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: trauma of some sort

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and it's affected the riding on the wall you know the shos versus the must i

417

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: should do this i should be thus instead of what's driving me what's my joy buttons

418

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know what am i passionate about what's my icky guy you know that's not

419

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: necessarily a conversation they're to with you because they're still living in

420

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: reaction

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[Juliet Hahn]: right

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: to early beliefs

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: to early beliefs

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[Juliet Hahn]: right

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so that's when i did that and art has always been in my life like i said i it was

426

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: theater really first and then

427

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: anything creative

428

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: my parents weren't again big proponents of it so it wasn't like i had all these

429

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: tools but i obviously had you know markers and pencils and paper

430

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i loved found objects and just being real resourceful with all of that but you

431

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: know art has come in and out as i've become more busy with having a baby or you

432

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: know moving or whatever the life transitions were but i decided to go art full

433

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: time in twenty nineteen so fairly recently

434

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i went from that outward facing world and this is another thing that i think

435

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: your listeners

436

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: will reflect upon is like where in the labyrinth are you are have you ever walked

437

00:23:52,537 --> 00:23:53,537

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: to labyrinth

438

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[Juliet Hahn]: i have not no but i i mean i'm familiar with that

439

00:23:55,437 --> 00:23:59,837

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: okay you're familiar with what they are so they're not amazed it's one way in one

440

00:23:59,997 --> 00:24:04,717

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: way out but when you're walking a labyrinth and it's a a meditation tool

441

00:24:06,397 --> 00:24:09,357

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you're moving towards the center you're like oh i'm gonna get to the center pretty

442

00:24:09,437 --> 00:24:12,877

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: quick because you know you you're rounding a curve and you're facing the center

443

00:24:14,077 --> 00:24:17,597

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and then all of a sudden it changes one eighty and now you're facing

444

00:24:18,497 --> 00:24:19,497

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: out

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[Juliet Hahn]: right

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and it it reflects those times in your life where you are more inward facing and

447

00:24:26,637 --> 00:24:29,117

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you're more outward facing and it takes both

448

00:24:30,557 --> 00:24:33,437

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: to work through and resolve whatever question

449

00:24:34,717 --> 00:24:40,877

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know you're posed with whether that's relationship or career or health or any

450

00:24:40,817 --> 00:24:41,817

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: number of things

451

00:24:42,637 --> 00:24:47,277

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so i recognize i spent a lot of my life outward facing

452

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[Juliet Hahn]: an alchemist

453

00:24:49,277 --> 00:24:52,957

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and the art has really been an incredible

454

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: inward facing journey

455

00:24:56,877 --> 00:24:59,437

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and to bring us back to the way we started the call

456

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i love animals i think animals are

457

00:25:04,617 --> 00:25:05,617

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: messengers

458

00:25:06,477 --> 00:25:09,117

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and again i don't mean that in some sort of way out their way

459

00:25:10,337 --> 00:25:11,337

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: they're so

460

00:25:13,037 --> 00:25:17,357

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: in their skin like they're not in their heads they're all about instinct whether

461

00:25:17,577 --> 00:25:18,577

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: they're wild or they're

462

00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:19,260

[Juliet Hahn]: they

463

00:25:18,557 --> 00:25:23,357

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: domestic they still have strong instinct so they know when we're sad right or when

464

00:25:23,437 --> 00:25:30,557

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: we're upset and they obviously do what they can to support and love us and i lost

465

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: my moses

466

00:25:32,877 --> 00:25:38,397

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: during quarantine he was my great pyrenees i have his brother still but it was

467

00:25:38,557 --> 00:25:42,157

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: very hard losing moses but he would always know

468

00:25:43,457 --> 00:25:44,457

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: what i needed

469

00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:45,340

[Juliet Hahn]: right

470

00:25:45,757 --> 00:25:48,157

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know and many times it was just that grounding

471

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[Juliet Hahn]: hm

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00:25:49,617 --> 00:25:50,617

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you

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[Juliet Hahn]: right

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00:25:49,897 --> 00:25:50,897

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: know so

475

00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,640

[Juliet Hahn]: now what if be i mean

476

00:25:51,917 --> 00:25:55,037

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know part of my my art was to capture animals

477

00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,560

[Juliet Hahn]: so we no but i'm what a beautiful story and that's you know this is what i love

478

00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:04,240

[Juliet Hahn]: about this i love having this podcast this space this platform to be able to share

479

00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,040

[Juliet Hahn]: stories like yours because what you know an amazing career as you said you didn't

480

00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,480

[Juliet Hahn]: see because usually we i take it back to your parents and okay

481

00:26:12,337 --> 00:26:13,337

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: a

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[Juliet Hahn]: where did you see art were your parents super gifted and creative and a lot of

483

00:26:16,657 --> 00:26:17,657

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: right

484

00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,960

[Juliet Hahn]: times it it is like oh yes you know my dad did this on the side or this but it

485

00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,200

[Juliet Hahn]: didn't doesn't sound like that that happened in your life however it might have

486

00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,640

[Juliet Hahn]: been one of them was very creative but it was stifled by their parents and then

487

00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,600

[Juliet Hahn]: they just kept doing it down the line right so there clearly

488

00:26:31,457 --> 00:26:32,457

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: absolutely right

489

00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,560

[Juliet Hahn]: was creativity in your family i mean you you just don't come out you know but you

490

00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:37,220

[Juliet Hahn]: know everyone

491

00:26:36,577 --> 00:26:37,577

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: sure

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00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,080

[Juliet Hahn]: has a talent so you have to have some it has to be some lineage of a you know a

493

00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,600

[Juliet Hahn]: line of that so

494

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[Juliet Hahn]: do you when you think back do

495

00:26:45,937 --> 00:26:46,937

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yes

496

00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,880

[Juliet Hahn]: you ever remember like a grandparent or like w like what one of your parents do

497

00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,320

[Juliet Hahn]: you think had that gift of creativity that was stifled

498

00:26:55,757 --> 00:27:02,317

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so my father who was the scientist um and really we locked towards a great deal

499

00:27:02,477 --> 00:27:05,917

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: growing up he was embarrassed by my

500

00:27:07,137 --> 00:27:08,137

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: expressiveness

501

00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:09,020

[Juliet Hahn]: right

502

00:27:08,797 --> 00:27:11,277

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it was very contrary to what made him feel safe

503

00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:11,420

[Juliet Hahn]: okay thank you

504

00:27:12,477 --> 00:27:15,117

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: he was very buttoned up but his

505

00:27:17,837 --> 00:27:23,517

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it would have been his grandmother was an artist and she painted on glass and she

506

00:27:23,677 --> 00:27:29,757

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: did landscapes and beautiful work but not not what i would want to do but she did

507

00:27:29,917 --> 00:27:33,917

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it and obviously she was very in love with it and did a great job

508

00:27:35,117 --> 00:27:39,277

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it it was interesting though because my father kept saying to me but you do

509

00:27:39,517 --> 00:27:43,757

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: realism so well like why don't you do more of that and again i think that's the

510

00:27:43,917 --> 00:27:49,677

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: only level of art that he was ever exposed to was you know kind of documentation

511

00:27:49,997 --> 00:27:55,037

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: stuff um but yes so there was that and my grandfather

512

00:27:56,957 --> 00:28:01,037

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i'm so bad with this and i need to have my sister on the on the call because

513

00:28:01,197 --> 00:28:03,037

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: she does the family tree and has all

514

00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:03,580

[Juliet Hahn]: yeah

515

00:28:03,117 --> 00:28:05,117

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: of those it's and bits of information

516

00:28:05,857 --> 00:28:06,857

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: but

517

00:28:07,677 --> 00:28:09,677

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: my grandfather's my father's father

518

00:28:10,657 --> 00:28:11,657

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: was

519

00:28:12,777 --> 00:28:13,777

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: an inventor

520

00:28:14,577 --> 00:28:15,577

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and he

521

00:28:16,337 --> 00:28:17,337

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: invented

522

00:28:19,057 --> 00:28:20,057

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: help i get this right

523

00:28:21,217 --> 00:28:22,217

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: the switch

524

00:28:23,677 --> 00:28:25,197

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that they ended up using for

525

00:28:26,317 --> 00:28:27,357

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: the nuclear bomb

526

00:28:28,577 --> 00:28:29,577

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: hiroshima

527

00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:30,300

[Juliet Hahn]: right

528

00:28:29,757 --> 00:28:33,437

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i mean so creativity that he didn't know was going to be abused

529

00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,680

[Juliet Hahn]: right right right no it's

530

00:28:35,117 --> 00:28:38,717

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know so that takes a great deal of creativity but when it gets taken out of

531

00:28:38,497 --> 00:28:39,497

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: context

532

00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,480

[Juliet Hahn]: right you don't know but it's it's so interesting cause as you just said that like

533

00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,440

[Juliet Hahn]: i had uh on my dad's side there was an inventor

534

00:28:45,857 --> 00:28:46,857

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: eight

535

00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,680

[Juliet Hahn]: that created the reflector so that reflecting thing his name is mint minto

536

00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,120

[Juliet Hahn]: williams um

537

00:28:52,817 --> 00:28:53,817

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: great

538

00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,160

[Juliet Hahn]: and so it's so interesting like when we do go back and think about it even though

539

00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,120

[Juliet Hahn]: maybe our parents didn't do certain things but there was something and again as

540

00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,240

[Juliet Hahn]: you said and you said it so beautifully it wasn't that your parents were doing it

541

00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:07,300

[Juliet Hahn]: on purpose to hurt you

542

00:29:07,137 --> 00:29:08,137

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: right

543

00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,720

[Juliet Hahn]: it's just what they they knew best

544

00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,000

[Juliet Hahn]: and so for you for you to kind of you know spread your wings and go your way

545

00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,400

[Juliet Hahn]: is interesting so a couple questions there how did you

546

00:29:18,097 --> 00:29:19,097

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

547

00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:25,120

[Juliet Hahn]: end up in an ashville and then what is your when you started doing the you know

548

00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,280

[Juliet Hahn]: the mixed media uh art like how did that come about

549

00:29:31,257 --> 00:29:32,257

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so asheville

550

00:29:33,917 --> 00:29:39,997

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: really was an example of me being very impetuous you know we lived in huntsville

551

00:29:40,077 --> 00:29:43,517

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: alabama that's where i met my second husband and where i had jackson

552

00:29:44,957 --> 00:29:51,837

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and hots ville is very progressive and is blowing up right now the fbi's moving

553

00:29:51,837 --> 00:29:53,437

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: there et cetera ett cetera but

554

00:29:54,637 --> 00:29:57,117

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it was a little too conservative for me

555

00:29:57,140 --> 00:29:58,140

[Juliet Hahn]: right

556

00:29:57,597 --> 00:30:02,157

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and so it was really you know my husband's an entrepreneur and i could be anywhere

557

00:30:02,477 --> 00:30:07,277

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so we just kind of looked at the map and did some travel and ended up here

558

00:30:08,017 --> 00:30:09,017

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and then

559

00:30:09,757 --> 00:30:14,797

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: literally we were here for a year and i again one of these moments where i just

560

00:30:15,117 --> 00:30:16,797

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: was overcome with inspiration

561

00:30:18,557 --> 00:30:25,517

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i said to him i said you know when i worked so hard and i saved x amount of

562

00:30:25,137 --> 00:30:26,137

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: dollars

563

00:30:26,717 --> 00:30:31,037

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i want to spend that money um and i want to spend it going around the world

564

00:30:32,477 --> 00:30:38,397

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so we took jackson out of school and spent six months going around the world

565

00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,080

[Juliet Hahn]: i love that how old was

566

00:30:39,857 --> 00:30:40,857

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

567

00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:40,900

[Juliet Hahn]: jackson

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00:30:41,837 --> 00:30:42,877

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: jackson was eleven

569

00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,040

[Juliet Hahn]: brilliant that's one of the things

570

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

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[Juliet Hahn]: and i don't i don't regret i don't regret things but i definitely um look back and

572

00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,920

[Juliet Hahn]: be like i wish i did that but that is something that i i i should have done at

573

00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,880

[Juliet Hahn]: some point in our lives because that would have been something i would have

574

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[Juliet Hahn]: totally done and i think my kids would have really been it for my husband probably

575

00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,920

[Juliet Hahn]: wouldn't have loved it and that's probably why it really never never came up but

576

00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:04,860

[Juliet Hahn]: we love to travel

577

00:31:04,337 --> 00:31:05,337

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

578

00:31:04,820 --> 00:31:05,820

[Juliet Hahn]: and he loves to travel

579

00:31:05,537 --> 00:31:06,537

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

580

00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,320

[Juliet Hahn]: it's just his job at you know at the time really

581

00:31:07,937 --> 00:31:08,937

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: sure

582

00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,520

[Juliet Hahn]: third career wouldn't have been able to been like yeah let's take six months off

583

00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:12,700

[Juliet Hahn]: but

584

00:31:11,857 --> 00:31:12,857

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yes

585

00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,280

[Juliet Hahn]: it's one of those things that i always think oh you know what that would have been

586

00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,120

[Juliet Hahn]: something i did so that is amazing i love that you did that and that's when you

587

00:31:18,737 --> 00:31:19,737

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

588

00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:20,180

[Juliet Hahn]: were in asheville

589

00:31:21,037 --> 00:31:26,237

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah yeah and just said you know yeah we just got here but now it's the time and

590

00:31:26,317 --> 00:31:30,957

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it really was the time because that would have been twenty eighteen and then we

591

00:31:31,037 --> 00:31:33,037

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: know what happened soon thereafter so

592

00:31:34,077 --> 00:31:40,717

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it was divine um i you know when i'm looking at my icky guy i look at the things i

593

00:31:40,417 --> 00:31:41,417

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: love

594

00:31:42,717 --> 00:31:47,277

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and this really is the perfect segue from what we're talking about and then moving

595

00:31:47,357 --> 00:31:50,557

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: into texture one of my biggest loves is travel

596

00:31:52,237 --> 00:31:53,357

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and another one of my

597

00:31:54,397 --> 00:31:55,677

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: passions is texture

598

00:31:57,197 --> 00:31:59,357

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i love tactile so

599

00:32:00,557 --> 00:32:05,837

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: when i decided that i'm gonna really work in the sculpting universe

600

00:32:07,917 --> 00:32:12,877

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i had you know what is my signature like what you know what is it that i want to

601

00:32:12,497 --> 00:32:13,497

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: do

602

00:32:14,157 --> 00:32:18,477

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that's gonna make me happy that's allow me to be fully expressed and that's why i

603

00:32:18,557 --> 00:32:24,237

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: went into the whole two d three d universe where i was sculpting um clay

604

00:32:25,437 --> 00:32:30,957

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: models and then making silicone mold and then casting and then taking that resin

605

00:32:31,117 --> 00:32:35,437

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: cast and putting it on a wood panel and then

606

00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,680

[Juliet Hahn]: and and you just taught and did you teach yourself to do that or did you

607

00:32:37,597 --> 00:32:39,677

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yes i just and that's yeah and

608

00:32:39,460 --> 00:32:40,460

[Juliet Hahn]: i love that

609

00:32:39,677 --> 00:32:41,277

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i'm not recommending that for everybody

610

00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,880

[Juliet Hahn]: no well i was gonna say but that just shows that you are i mean you are you were

611

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[Juliet Hahn]: created as an artist i mean everything

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

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[Juliet Hahn]: that you have done is art

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

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[Juliet Hahn]: art art so

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[Juliet Hahn]: i do want to take you to traditional school how is traditional school for you

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[Juliet Hahn]: or did you go or did you go to a private school and i know this could be

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: na

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[Juliet Hahn]: a whole conversation and we're thirty three minutes in but

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah it yeah right our wait if i kept you like way too long

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[Juliet Hahn]: no no no no it's no this this could go forty five minutes please don't

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

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[Juliet Hahn]: even worry about it no but so i that because traditional school for me and i

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: she

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[Juliet Hahn]: you know did not think of myself as a creative person i thought myself as an

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[Juliet Hahn]: athlete because you

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: eight

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[Juliet Hahn]: know i was told somewhere down the rhine that i was not creative but

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: mm

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[Juliet Hahn]: not by my parents but like you know by

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: sure

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[Juliet Hahn]: a teacher or something but that's because i thought i

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: sure

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[Juliet Hahn]: couldn't because i couldn't draw do you know what i mean so that's why i didn't

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[Juliet Hahn]: think i was creative but like traditional school i could imagine for you was

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[Juliet Hahn]: boring

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah yeah i and i think i made up for it you know so i was always um doing theater

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i decided to compete in dramatics so i

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[Juliet Hahn]: so you had that

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: traveled around the united states yeah competing in de debate as well as theater

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so i w i found my outlet i did

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[Juliet Hahn]: which is so smartt so that yeah so

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

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[Juliet Hahn]: people need to hear that like because i s cause my daughter is um like she's a

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[Juliet Hahn]: reader she's really introspective i mean she loves

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: eight

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[Juliet Hahn]: to read she reads um like um you know uh

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[Juliet Hahn]: i want to say it's like a greek mythology kind of books

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[Juliet Hahn]: like that that that kind of genre le yeah she loves knows so much about it you

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: h love it love it

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[Juliet Hahn]: know when she was like ten i was like oh my gosh like this is interesting but i

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[Juliet Hahn]: you know sometimes traditional school even though she's really good at it she's

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[Juliet Hahn]: like

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: hm

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[Juliet Hahn]: i'm so bored and i'm like i don't

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

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[Juliet Hahn]: love that word like don't say bored figure something out that can make you not

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[Juliet Hahn]: bored let's figure this out because you're smart if you're smart you're not bored

659

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[Juliet Hahn]: right you could create things in your mind

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: oh the imagination and that's the path for everyone

661

00:34:44,077 --> 00:34:48,557

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: whether they're finding the next step their next stop

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[Juliet Hahn]: yeah

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: they're healing from a decision they made that may not have turned out exactly as

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: they intended

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: is to allow your imagination to bring you back to balance you know to really allow

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: your

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: mind to explore

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[Juliet Hahn]: thank you

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: different paths and not make one good and one bad but really stay you know in a in

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: a loving with detachment state you know where you're just really curious versus

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: attached

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: my son does not like school um i grew up you know the academic like you have to do

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: this you have to do this you have to do this so i did it and i did it well but

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[Juliet Hahn]: yeah you just got through it yeah so

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: i got through it and i didn't pursue i didn't go to school for art i didn't go to

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: school for acting you know and my brother who is a very very successful engineer

677

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: was like i

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[Juliet Hahn]: what

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: couldn't believe it when you didn't go to school for you know acting or art

680

00:35:49,517 --> 00:35:52,317

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: he said i know it was mom and dad you know their influence

681

00:35:53,917 --> 00:35:59,197

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: ultimately i'm accountable right like i decided not to take that path but it

682

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: wasn't a mistake it just was very circuitous you know i went a little better here

683

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and a little bit of there

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[Juliet Hahn]: but you learned you know that was your path right

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: absolutely

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[Juliet Hahn]: you learned what you needed to learn from that so that so i think it's so

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[Juliet Hahn]: fascinating that you taught yourself art and and and there's things that you know

688

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[Juliet Hahn]: people need to hear in that too is that you fear like you you're not scared of

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[Juliet Hahn]: failure so you're like let me

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: right

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[Juliet Hahn]: just try this because you're confident in who you are and confident in what your

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[Juliet Hahn]: abilities are so you started doing that with the textures and then where did that

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[Juliet Hahn]: lead you

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: well it's

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[Juliet Hahn]: it

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: deleting mem i right now

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and i know i have so little time with you but you must come visit and we'll take

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: this up over a glass of wine but now i am

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: incorporating what i see as my long term play which is bringing nature my love of

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: nature animals nature medicine

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[Juliet Hahn]: women

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: and coupling that with the art so i'm working with mycelium if you know

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[Juliet Hahn]: hey

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: a thing about mushrooms so this is

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[Juliet Hahn]: yes

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00:37:00,637 --> 00:37:08,797

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: the fibrous network under the fourth floor frequently referred to as the wood wide

707

00:37:09,597 --> 00:37:14,877

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: web i think i got that wood yeah so it's you know it's under our feet and we don't

708

00:37:14,877 --> 00:37:19,757

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: know it but it's connecting us it's connecting tree a tree tree to plant the

709

00:37:19,917 --> 00:37:23,037

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: animals you know are very much a part of that

710

00:37:24,717 --> 00:37:29,757

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: spreading reinforcement process and it of course supporting the animals

711

00:37:31,037 --> 00:37:32,237

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so i'm trying to take

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: the art play and bring it into a healing modality

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[Juliet Hahn]: i love that

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: so long term and how i was joking with you though not joking with you at the

715

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: opening of the call is i would love to do international

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: resilience retreat

717

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: which is all about creative healing

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[Juliet Hahn]: no

719

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: where you're taking nature and creative expression and allow people to do

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that exploration we just referred to and get in alignment with their next stop

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[Juliet Hahn]: yeah

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know let go of what that was

723

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[Juliet Hahn]: no i'm i' in i i am in

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

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[Juliet Hahn]: i'm totally in i mean i think that's so fascinating so can you tell people where

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00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,320

[Juliet Hahn]: they can find you so they can also see your beautiful work

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00:38:23,277 --> 00:38:29,517

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah they can find me a cat kathleen clip art instagram or katherine kippen

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00:38:30,557 --> 00:38:32,717

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: com is my website um

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[Juliet Hahn]: and spell it because i am my dyslexic listeners were like

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00:38:33,917 --> 00:38:37,757

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: oh okay kathleen is c a t p h l e e n

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: k l i b as in boy a n as in nancy o f f dot com very long you better put a link in

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: there

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[Juliet Hahn]: oh this will be in all the show notes yes all of all of your stuff will

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

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[Juliet Hahn]: be in the show nots and truly i mean you guys the next you know few you know

736

00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:03,840

[Juliet Hahn]: podcast you will be seeing kathleen's work because it is it is so inspiring it's

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[Juliet Hahn]: so wonderful it's so gorgeous that it's just um

738

00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:14,000

[Juliet Hahn]: you're i i i didn't realize how multi level you are and how uh multifaceted you

739

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[Juliet Hahn]: are and how just again as you said this is too short we will have you on one of

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[Juliet Hahn]: the live shows because we could get into conversations you and i could

741

00:39:21,097 --> 00:39:22,097

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: oh yeah

742

00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,080

[Juliet Hahn]: talk for years i mean we could we could literally

743

00:39:22,797 --> 00:39:25,357

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: oh this could go on for a very long time

744

00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,240

[Juliet Hahn]: it could and i and that's what i love i love meeting people that i can do that

745

00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,720

[Juliet Hahn]: with because that is my passion it's passion is meeting people and learning about

746

00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,680

[Juliet Hahn]: them hearing how people's brains and and lives work because that just fascinates

747

00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:45,120

[Juliet Hahn]: me because it just shows how amazing the brain is how amazing human life is how

748

00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:45,940

[Juliet Hahn]: amazing

749

00:39:45,697 --> 00:39:46,697

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yes

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00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,760

[Juliet Hahn]: humans can be that we all just need to listen to each other we all need to hear

751

00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,160

[Juliet Hahn]: each other's stories and take something from each person's story and take that and

752

00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:55,600

[Juliet Hahn]: then put it into your life

753

00:39:56,417 --> 00:39:57,417

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that's right

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00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:02,000

[Juliet Hahn]: and you know what i love what my takeaways from this are is that you know you led

755

00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,160

[Juliet Hahn]: a very interesting path but you were told okay you need to stop this by you know

756

00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,240

[Juliet Hahn]: basically a doctor like this is not good and then you kind of explore yourself you

757

00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,000

[Juliet Hahn]: let yourself go and you let yourself go without fear and yes you

758

00:40:13,697 --> 00:40:14,697

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

759

00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,680

[Juliet Hahn]: probably were scared at some points but you didn't let it hold you back and i

760

00:40:17,420 --> 00:40:18,420

[Juliet Hahn]: think that's

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00:40:17,777 --> 00:40:18,777

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: sure

762

00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:22,640

[Juliet Hahn]: such a beautiful way to live life and i feel i live that way as well and i want

763

00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,240

[Juliet Hahn]: more people to live that way don't think about what your neighbor is doing what

764

00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,760

[Juliet Hahn]: your friends doing what this person's gonna say because i'm sure there's people

765

00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,320

[Juliet Hahn]: that you were like well how are you start like you know artists that were already

766

00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,600

[Juliet Hahn]: in the field would say i can't believe she's just trying this and then when you go

767

00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,360

[Juliet Hahn]: see kathleen's work you're gonna be like i can't believe she self taught herself

768

00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,560

[Juliet Hahn]: this is incredible because you were given such a god's gift or universe gift

769

00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,400

[Juliet Hahn]: whatever you want to talk about and it's it's

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00:40:46,137 --> 00:40:47,137

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: thank you

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00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,040

[Juliet Hahn]: absolutely beautiful so i am so honored to have you on your next stop and we will

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[Juliet Hahn]: have you on yns live in the next

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: good

774

00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,720

[Juliet Hahn]: few months because i want to and we'll be able to display co because we can go

775

00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,720

[Juliet Hahn]: few months because i want to and we'll be able to display co because we can go

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00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,840

[Juliet Hahn]: live after you you you create what um we're going to do together

777

00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,840

[Juliet Hahn]: live after you you you create what um we're going to do together

778

00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,920

[Juliet Hahn]: with the boxers so everyone will know i will be seeing the boxers behind me every

779

00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,680

[Juliet Hahn]: time i record which which i love this this is my husband and i when we got married

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00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:10,660

[Juliet Hahn]: it's a beautiful picture

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00:41:11,097 --> 00:41:12,097

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: it is

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00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,120

[Juliet Hahn]: it's in philadelphia but it's not big enough like it looks big enough now but

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00:41:14,737 --> 00:41:15,737

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

784

00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,600

[Juliet Hahn]: it really is it's too small it's like the this wall's

785

00:41:17,377 --> 00:41:18,377

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

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[Juliet Hahn]: bigger than that so i just you know thank you again for taking the time and

787

00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,920

[Juliet Hahn]: joining your next stop and you guys you know you know what to do like share

788

00:41:28,737 --> 00:41:29,737

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: yeah

789

00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,680

[Juliet Hahn]: take this episode and you know there's people in your life that needs to hear this

790

00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,840

[Juliet Hahn]: you know that there's people in your life that are like you know what i know that

791

00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,320

[Juliet Hahn]: my my you know my sister my aunt my cousin someone in their life needs to hear an

792

00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,040

[Juliet Hahn]: inspirational story like this one send it to three people and get it out there and

793

00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,200

[Juliet Hahn]: you guys can follow me on all the socials you can get me an you know ig at im

794

00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:58,240

[Juliet Hahn]: juliet han jl ie t ha hn that's my twitter you know my website i am juliet han com

795

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[Juliet Hahn]: this episode will go out uh you know and and again it's going to be one of those

796

00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,920

[Juliet Hahn]: episodes that you're gonna want others to hear because it's so amazing i'm going

797

00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,920

[Juliet Hahn]: to skip downstairs i'm gonna tell my husband about it when i pick my kids up from

798

00:42:11,780 --> 00:42:12,780

[Juliet Hahn]: school today

799

00:42:12,477 --> 00:42:13,677

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: tell the dogs about it

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00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:14,380

[Juliet Hahn]: oh

801

00:42:13,917 --> 00:42:19,037

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: tell your daughter about it what i will say in keeping with what you said in in

802

00:42:19,117 --> 00:42:21,197

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: closing that it truly

803

00:42:22,857 --> 00:42:23,857

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: is never too late

804

00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:25,580

[Juliet Hahn]: yes i love that

805

00:42:25,277 --> 00:42:30,397

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you know i get it i get some people don't find that joy when they're a teen or

806

00:42:30,477 --> 00:42:34,477

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: were in their twenties or in their thirties but it it's you still have some

807

00:42:34,477 --> 00:42:39,997

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: something to contribute you know and to not lose touch with that because it was

808

00:42:40,237 --> 00:42:47,677

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: brought in to serve a purpose you have a meaningful mission and it behooves you in

809

00:42:47,757 --> 00:42:51,357

[Calthleen Klibanoff]: terms of fulfillment to go explore that and embrace it

810

00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:55,200

[Juliet Hahn]: yes i'm right we all live one life right so it is this is what i say and and we

811

00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,320

[Juliet Hahn]: didn't get to talk about this but i'm going to say it here because my listeners

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00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,640

[Juliet Hahn]: know but that's why daydreaming or meditating is so important and finding the way

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[Juliet Hahn]: you do it best and i talk about this on my podcast all the time for me sitting in

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[Juliet Hahn]: a quiet room not thinking of anything is like torture my brain never really stops

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[Juliet Hahn]: so

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: right

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[Juliet Hahn]: for me i have to walk i have to walk with's when i walk my boxers is when i create

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[Juliet Hahn]: and when i create the best whether it's what i want for my life what i want for my

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[Juliet Hahn]: kids life what i went for my husband's life or hey i'm thinking of this i've

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[Juliet Hahn]: always wanted to try this how does this look and it's when you start creating

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[Juliet Hahn]: those those things in your mind is when you actually the god or universe starts

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[Juliet Hahn]: putting a little bit more things in your path and it

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: absolutely rallying around you

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[Juliet Hahn]: exactly exactly well shout out again where everyone can find you and again thank

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[Juliet Hahn]: you so much for joining your next stop i'm so happy that we connected on i j

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: oh this was a pleasure it really is so nice to find like minded people i think

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that's again part of this is to have your aid team and not feel like you have to

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: do anything by yourself i think that level of

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[Juliet Hahn]: sure

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: connection is a key ingredient so people can find me at cathleen clipping off com

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: or on instagram at kathleen clip art and there's the link tree there that'll take

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: you here there and everywhere but that's that's a good place to start and i hope i

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: see some of your listeners at the international retreat

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[Juliet Hahn]: yeah i

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that we're gonna host

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[Juliet Hahn]: that that that we're gonna host yeah stay tuned for that because that's going to

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[Juliet Hahn]: be a fun one

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: that's right

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[Juliet Hahn]: thank you so much again kathleen i

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: thank you

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[Juliet Hahn]: so appreciate it

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[Calthleen Klibanoff]: okay bye bye

My focus is entirely on helping you follow your passion, even when you feel like you've got stuck in crazy town. There is a way out, its me helping you. You don't have to ditch everything in your life that is making you feel overwhelmed and stuck, you just need some help to navigate it.

WHEN YOU FOLLOW YOUR PASSION YOU WILL NATURALLY ENRICH THE PEOPLE YOU LOVE

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Episode 149: Cathleen Klibanoff | Sculptural Painter, Writer, and Storyteller

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